Mental Health and Community Support in Costa Rica: Moving Beyond Clinical Care

A person experiencing worsening mental health in Costa Rica may first become visible somewhere other than a psychiatric service. An EBAIS team may notice repeated consultations and deteriorating wellbeing. A school may see withdrawal or distress. An employer may see absence. A family may be managing escalating anxiety, depression or behavioral change at home. A hospital emergency service may encounter the person only once the situation has become acute. The effectiveness of a mental health system therefore depends not only on the quality of specialist treatment, but on how well these different points of contact recognize need, respond and remain connected.

Costa Rica is now attempting to strengthen precisely that wider architecture. Its Política Nacional de Salud Mental 2024–2034, National Mental Health Law and implementing framework position mental health across promotion, prevention, care, rehabilitation, rights and social inclusion. This creates an important new phase within the wider Costa Rica Aging, Long-Term Care & Community Support Knowledge Hub: moving beyond an understanding of mental health as primarily specialist clinical treatment toward a model in which primary healthcare, communities, families, education, employment and social conditions also influence outcomes.

The ambition is significant, but implementation is the real test. Community mental health is not achieved simply by relocating clinical appointments outside hospitals. It requires earlier identification, accessible primary care, credible referral pathways, continuity after crisis, support for recovery and practical attention to housing, work, relationships and social participation. Costa Rica's emerging direction therefore raises a wider operational question: how can a health system with strong universal foundations build a mental health pathway that follows people through ordinary life rather than responding mainly when illness becomes severe?

Costa Rica is entering a new mental health policy phase

The Política Nacional de Salud Mental 2024–2034 represents an important policy reset. Costa Rica had a previous national mental health policy from 2012, but the Ministry of Health acknowledged that implementation had been insufficient. The newer framework was developed using World Health Organization assessment tools, analysis of mental health challenges at cantonal level and consideration of social determinants.

The policy is accompanied by an Action Plan for 2025–2029. Its scope reaches beyond treatment to protective environments, health promotion, prevention, integrated attention and the social conditions influencing mental wellbeing.

The National Mental Health Law, promulgated in 2023, adds a legislative foundation. Its implementing regulation was published in 2025, establishing mechanisms intended to support an integral model encompassing promotion, prevention, protection, attention, rehabilitation and social and labor inclusion.

This combination of legislation, policy and implementation planning matters because mental health responsibilities are distributed. The Ministry of Health exercises national stewardship and policy leadership, while the Caja Costarricense de Seguro Social (CCSS) provides much of the country's healthcare infrastructure. Other institutions influence education, employment, social protection, substance-use responses, violence prevention and community conditions.

The policy direction is therefore inherently intersectoral. Strong system integration and multi-agency working becomes part of mental health delivery rather than an optional addition to clinical services.

Universal healthcare provides a foundation, not the complete pathway

CCSS gives Costa Rica a substantial platform on which to develop more accessible mental healthcare. Its national health system includes primary care through Equipos Básicos de Atención Integral en Salud, or EBAIS, alongside specialist and hospital services.

That structure creates an important opportunity. Mental health problems frequently coexist with physical illness, chronic disease, family stress and social adversity. Primary-care teams are positioned closer to people's everyday lives than specialist psychiatric services and can potentially identify problems earlier.

Costa Rica's recent policy direction has therefore emphasized strengthening mental health within the first level of care. Work supported by the Pan American Health Organization has included institutionalizing the WHO Mental Health Gap Action Programme, mhGAP, approach within primary healthcare.

Yet integration should not be interpreted as complete. Strengthening capability in primary care is a developmental process involving workforce competence, referral arrangements, specialist backup, information flows and sufficient consultation capacity. A policy instruction to identify mental health needs does not itself create the time or expertise needed to respond.

This distinction is important for international readers. Costa Rica has a universal healthcare architecture capable of supporting integration, but universal health coverage does not automatically mean that every person can obtain the same mental health intervention, at the same speed, in every territory.

Primary care can change where the mental health pathway begins

Integrating mental health into primary care changes the operating model in several ways.

First, it allows mental health to be considered alongside physical health rather than treated as a separate system. Depression in a person living with diabetes, anxiety following chronic pain or psychological distress associated with caregiving can be identified within an existing healthcare relationship.

Second, primary care can create earlier routes into support. Not every episode of distress requires specialist psychiatry. Some people may benefit from brief intervention, psychosocial support, monitoring, health promotion or referral to appropriate community resources.

Third, primary care can support continuity after specialist treatment. A person discharged from hospital or specialist mental healthcare still needs ongoing physical healthcare, medication monitoring where relevant, recognition of relapse indicators and routes back to specialist support if their condition changes.

This makes primary care and care coordination central to the community model.

The operational risk is that integration becomes an unfunded transfer of complexity. EBAIS teams already manage broad population-health responsibilities. Mental health integration therefore needs clear scope, training, escalation routes and access to specialist advice. Otherwise, primary care can become another waiting point rather than the coordinating foundation policy intends.

Operational scenario: depression becomes visible through physical healthcare

A 62-year-old woman attends her local EBAIS repeatedly with fatigue, headaches and difficulty sleeping. She has hypertension and has recently begun providing extensive care for her husband following a decline in his mobility. Individual physical symptoms are assessed, but the pattern across several consultations suggests something broader.

A primary-care approach that incorporates mental health creates space to ask about mood, anxiety, sleep, caregiving and daily functioning. The woman describes persistent sadness, loss of interest in activities and increasing isolation. She has not considered seeking psychiatric care because she understands her difficulties mainly as exhaustion.

The appropriate response depends on clinical assessment, severity and risk. It may involve primary-care management, psychological or other specialist referral, review of physical-health factors and clear escalation if self-harm or other significant risks emerge.

But a purely clinical response would still be incomplete. Her husband's dependency is contributing materially to her distress. If she remains the sole source of care without support, treatment of symptoms may leave the underlying pressure unchanged.

Connecting healthcare with available family and community support therefore becomes part of the pathway. The outcome to monitor is not simply whether she attended another appointment. It is whether symptoms improve, caregiving becomes more sustainable, social connection increases and she knows where to seek help if her mental health deteriorates.

The scenario illustrates why mental health integration needs to extend beyond diagnosis. The person's social context can be clinically relevant without every social difficulty becoming a medical condition.

Community mental health is broader than community-based treatment

The phrase “community mental health” can describe very different models.

At its narrowest, it may mean providing specialist clinical services in outpatient settings rather than hospitals. That is useful, but it does not capture the wider policy opportunity.

A stronger community model considers what enables a person to live safely and meaningfully between clinical contacts. This can include family relationships, housing stability, income, employment, education, peer connection, community participation and protection from violence or discrimination.

The National Mental Health Policy's attention to protective environments and social determinants therefore matters operationally. Mental health services cannot directly solve every social problem, but they need pathways that recognize when those problems are driving distress or undermining recovery.

This aligns with wider integrated behavioral health and community care. The objective is not to make healthcare responsible for housing, employment or education. It is to prevent institutional boundaries from making those influences invisible.

For somebody recovering from severe depression, returning to meaningful activity may be part of recovery. For a person with persistent mental illness, stable housing may be essential to treatment continuity. For a young person experiencing distress, the school environment may be as important as the clinic.

Community mental health therefore depends on relationships between systems rather than expansion of one service alone.

Prevention changes the system's time horizon

Costa Rica's new policy places significant emphasis on promotion and prevention. This shifts attention from treating established illness toward strengthening conditions that protect mental wellbeing and recognizing deterioration earlier.

Prevention operates at several levels. Population-wide action may address stigma, mental-health literacy, violence and protective environments. Targeted intervention may focus on groups experiencing elevated risk. Clinical prevention may involve identifying relapse indicators and intervening before a person reaches crisis.

The distinction matters because prevention can easily become a collection of campaigns without operational follow-through.

Awareness activity is valuable when it changes what happens next. A person encouraged to seek help needs an accessible route into assessment. A school identifying distress needs a pathway for escalation. A workplace recognizing suicide risk needs to know what action to take. A family noticing relapse needs a response before emergency services become the only option.

Effective prevention therefore connects public communication with service capacity.

The policy's cantonal analysis is also significant. Mental health pressures are not distributed uniformly. Violence, substance use, economic insecurity, social isolation and access to services can vary between communities. National prevention priorities therefore need enough local intelligence to respond to different patterns rather than assuming a single intervention will have equal relevance everywhere.

Suicide prevention demonstrates why mental health cannot belong to one service

Suicide is among the major mental health concerns identified within Costa Rica's national policy work. It illustrates the need for coordinated action particularly clearly.

Some people who die by suicide have had contact with mental health services; others have not. Potential warning signs may appear in healthcare, education, workplaces, families, emergency services or community settings.

Costa Rica already has national structures addressing suicidal behavior, and current policy continues to strengthen prevention. The operational requirement is to connect recognition with proportionate action.

That includes:

  • clear routes for urgent assessment where risk is acute;
  • workforce capability to ask directly and appropriately about suicidal thoughts;
  • continuity following emergency or hospital contact;
  • support for families and other people involved in the person's safety;
  • attention to social and environmental risk factors; and
  • learning from deaths and serious incidents at system level.

This connects with wider mental health risk and safeguarding, but risk management should not reduce the person's care to surveillance. Safety planning is strongest when it combines clinical judgment, the person's own knowledge of what helps, trusted relationships and realistic access to support.

Crisis response is only as strong as what happens afterwards

Acute mental health deterioration may lead a person to emergency healthcare or specialist psychiatric assessment. Crisis services are necessary, but they reveal only one part of system performance.

The period following crisis can be equally important.

A person may leave an emergency department or hospital clinically stabilized while returning to the same isolation, family conflict, substance use, financial difficulty or housing instability that contributed to deterioration. Medication may have changed. Follow-up may be needed. Family members may be uncertain what warning signs require urgent action.

Continuity therefore needs to be designed rather than assumed.

A strong transition clarifies what happened, what the current plan is, who follows up, what medication changes were made where relevant, how the person can obtain help, and what should happen if risk increases again.

This is particularly important where specialist, primary-care and community actors are all involved. Crisis response and care continuity should function as one pathway rather than two separate phases.

Organizations examining similar multi-service transitions can use the Governance Maturity Assessment to structure questions about responsibility, escalation and assurance. It is not a Costa Rican clinical or regulatory instrument; its relevance lies in testing whether responsibility remains visible when several organizations contribute to one person's pathway.

Operational scenario: the important question begins after the crisis

A 27-year-old man is assessed urgently following a period of severe distress and suicidal thinking. Acute risk is managed and he does not require prolonged hospitalization. His condition improves sufficiently for him to return home with family.

A weak pathway would regard the crisis as resolved at discharge.

A stronger pathway treats discharge as a transition point. The man understands the immediate treatment plan and has an identified route for follow-up. Relevant information reaches the next healthcare team without requiring him to retell the entire crisis. His family receives appropriate guidance with his involvement and within legitimate confidentiality boundaries. Warning signs and escalation arrangements are clear.

The wider context is also explored. He recently lost employment and has become socially isolated. Those circumstances do not replace clinical treatment, but ignoring them would leave significant contributors to his recovery untouched.

Follow-up therefore asks more than whether suicidal thoughts remain absent. Is he engaging with care? Is sleep improving? Has he re-established meaningful daily activity? Are family relationships supporting recovery or adding pressure? Has substance use changed? Does he know what to do if distress escalates?

If similar people repeatedly return to emergency care shortly after discharge, the pattern should become visible beyond individual case review. Recurrent crisis can indicate a gap in transition, follow-up capacity or community support that requires a system response.

Recovery requires attention to work, education and social participation

Mental health recovery is not synonymous with the complete absence of symptoms. For many people, it involves developing or regaining a life that has meaning even while some difficulties continue.

Costa Rica's mental health legislation explicitly includes social and labor inclusion, which broadens the expected outcome of the system. Employment, education and community participation can support identity, income, relationships and routine. Conversely, exclusion from these areas can reinforce isolation and dependency.

This is especially important for people living with more persistent or severe mental health conditions. If the system measures success only through hospital admissions or clinical appointments, it may miss whether somebody is actually rebuilding a sustainable life.

Recovery-oriented practice asks what matters to the person. One individual may prioritize returning to university. Another may want to work again. Someone else may first need stable daily routines and stronger relationships.

This connects with mental health outcomes, recovery and system impact. Outcome evidence can include clinical change, but should also examine functioning, participation, stability, personal goals and repeated use of crisis services.

The approach also protects against an overly paternalistic model. Risk remains important, but the existence of a mental health condition should not automatically remove ordinary opportunities for choice and participation.

Families need a defined role without becoming the default service

Families often carry substantial responsibility when somebody experiences serious or persistent mental ill health. They may recognize deterioration, organize appointments, supervise medication informally, provide housing, manage crises and sustain the person's daily routine.

Their knowledge can be invaluable.

Yet family involvement presents several governance questions. The person using services has rights to privacy and autonomy. Families may themselves be exhausted, frightened or uncertain what to do. Relationships can sometimes contribute to distress rather than reduce it. Not every person has supportive relatives.

A strong system therefore avoids two extremes: excluding families automatically because the person is an adult, or assuming family members can indefinitely provide whatever support formal services do not.

With appropriate consent and attention to confidentiality, families can contribute information, understand warning signs and participate in planning. They may also need support in their own right.

For people who lack reliable family networks, community and formal-service continuity become even more important. Mental healthcare cannot be designed around an assumption that every person returns from a clinical encounter to a stable household capable of implementing the plan.

Severe and persistent mental illness requires continuity across systems

The community orientation should not obscure the needs of people with severe and persistent mental illness.

Some people require specialist psychiatric treatment, periods of hospital care, intensive follow-up or long-term medication. Others may experience recurrent episodes that affect housing, employment, relationships and physical health over many years.

The case for community support is strongest, not weakest, in these circumstances.

Clinical expertise remains essential, but specialist treatment needs interfaces with primary care and ordinary life. Physical-health monitoring is important because people with serious mental illness can also experience chronic physical conditions. Medication may require continuing clinical oversight. Social isolation or unstable living circumstances can undermine treatment.

Care therefore needs to operate across clinical and social boundaries without blurring professional responsibility.

Primary care should not be expected to absorb specialist complexity without support. Community organizations should not be expected to manage clinical risk for which they are not equipped. Specialist teams should not assume that symptom stabilization resolves practical barriers to recovery.

The operational model is one of complementary responsibility.

Rural and territorial variation matters to access

Costa Rica's relatively small geographic size does not eliminate territorial differences. Specialist services, transport, workforce availability and community resources can be easier to access in some areas than others.

For mental health, distance has several effects. Repeated travel for specialist appointments can be difficult for people with limited income or unstable employment. Families may carry transport responsibilities. Rural primary-care teams may have fewer opportunities for immediate face-to-face specialist consultation.

Strengthening mental health competence within EBAIS can therefore have particular value outside major urban centers, provided specialist escalation remains accessible.

Telehealth can also extend reach for selected functions, but it is not a universal substitute for in-person care. Privacy at home, internet connectivity, digital literacy, clinical suitability and the person's preference all matter.

The wider issue is reflected in mental health inequalities and access. National entitlement can coexist with unequal practical ability to obtain timely support.

Policy monitoring should therefore examine variation by territory rather than relying only on national totals. A country-wide increase in activity can hide areas where people still face long waits, repeated travel or limited community options.

The mental health workforce needs a broader capability model

Psychiatrists, psychologists and other specialist professionals remain central to mental healthcare, but a community model distributes some mental-health capability across a wider workforce.

Primary-care doctors, nurses and other EBAIS staff may identify and manage selected mental health needs. Emergency teams encounter people in crisis. Social and community workers may see changes in functioning. Teachers and workplace personnel may identify distress. None should be turned into substitute psychiatrists.

The workforce question is therefore about layered capability.

Different roles need enough knowledge to recognize concerns, respond within scope and know when and how to escalate. Specialist expertise then needs to be available when complexity exceeds that scope.

This requires training, but training alone is insufficient. Staff also need supervision, referral pathways and confidence that escalation produces a response. Otherwise, increased identification can expose unmet demand without improving access.

The specialist workforce itself also needs sustainability. Recruitment, retention, geographic distribution and workload influence whether community integration can be supported. A model that expands entry points without considering downstream capacity may simply move queues around the system.

For organizations examining workforce pressure, the Predictive Workforce Risk Module provides a structured way to consider vacancy, turnover and continuity risk. It is not specific to Costa Rica, but the underlying principle is relevant: service expansion needs workforce evidence as well as policy ambition.

Operational scenario: rural access requires more than moving appointments online

A 44-year-old woman living outside the Greater Metropolitan Area has a recurrent mood disorder. Her local primary-care team knows her well, but specialist appointments require substantial travel. Missing a working day also affects household income.

Remote specialist consultation appears to offer a straightforward solution.

In practice, the pathway needs more design. The woman has reliable mobile connectivity but limited privacy at home. She prefers to attend her EBAIS for remote consultations so that she has a confidential environment. Her primary-care team remains responsible for aspects of physical-health monitoring, while specialist clinicians retain responsibility for decisions requiring psychiatric expertise.

Information needs to move reliably between both levels. If medication changes, the current plan should be visible to those responsible for follow-up. If her condition deteriorates between specialist reviews, the EBAIS needs a defined escalation route rather than simply advising her to wait for the next appointment.

The arrangement reduces travel while preserving local clinical relationships. It does not eliminate workforce demand: remote specialist time is still specialist time, and primary-care staff undertake coordination that must be recognized within workload.

The useful outcome evidence includes missed appointments, time to specialist advice, clinical stability, emergency use and the woman's experience of the arrangement. Technology is valuable because it changes access intelligently, not merely because a consultation occurred on a screen.

Digital mental health needs privacy, evidence and clear boundaries

Digital tools are likely to become increasingly prominent in mental health. Teleconsultation is only one element. Digital screening, appointment systems, self-management applications, remote communication and eventually more sophisticated AI-enabled tools may all influence care.

Each creates opportunities and governance requirements.

Mental health information is particularly sensitive. Digital systems need appropriate privacy, access control and information-sharing arrangements. People should understand how their information is being used. Automated tools should not be treated as substitutes for professional judgment where clinical risk or diagnosis is involved.

Digital exclusion also matters. A model that assumes smartphone access, data availability, digital literacy and private space may inadvertently make care less accessible for some people.

Organizations considering similar changes can use the Digital Transformation, AI and Cybersecurity Readiness Assessment to structure questions about governance, capability and digital risk. It does not validate technology for use within Costa Rica's health system, but it illustrates the broader requirement to assess infrastructure and safeguards alongside innovation.

The stronger future model is therefore hybrid: technology extends reach and coordination where it adds value, while face-to-face care remains available when clinically or personally appropriate.

Operational scenario: repeated emergency use becomes a governance signal

A regional service identifies a small group of people repeatedly presenting to emergency healthcare during mental health crises. Each attendance has been managed appropriately in isolation. Yet several people return within weeks.

The pattern changes the question from individual clinical management to system performance.

A multidisciplinary review examines what happens between episodes. Some people are waiting for follow-up. Others miss appointments because of transport or work. Several have substance-use problems alongside mental illness. One repeatedly returns to an unstable household environment. Another does not understand the medication plan after discharge.

No single intervention explains every recurrence.

The governance response therefore focuses on pathway patterns: timeliness of follow-up, referral completion, information transfer, access barriers and whether people understand how to seek help before crisis escalates.

Individual confidentiality remains protected while aggregate learning is used to identify recurring weaknesses.

Improvement might involve earlier follow-up for selected high-risk transitions, stronger coordination with primary care, clearer medication information or more reliable referral closure. Results are then monitored to determine whether the changes reduce repeated crisis use without creating inappropriate barriers to emergency care.

The Quality Dashboard Builder can help organizations structure comparable evidence across access, continuity, safety and outcomes. Its value here is methodological rather than regulatory: making recurrent pathway problems visible before they become accepted as normal activity.

Measurement needs to show whether policy is reaching communities

Costa Rica's previous experience demonstrates why policy publication alone is insufficient. The Ministry of Health has explicitly recognized shortcomings in implementation of the earlier national mental health policy. The 2024–2034 framework consequently needs credible monitoring capable of distinguishing formal activity from practical change.

Useful evidence operates at several levels.

Population measures can show trends in mental wellbeing, suicide, violence and other major concerns. Service measures can show access, waiting, continuity and use of different levels of care. Quality measures can examine safety and experience. Outcome measures can consider recovery, functioning and participation.

Territorial analysis is essential because national averages may conceal cantonal or regional differences.

Qualitative evidence should also remain visible. People using mental health services can identify barriers that administrative datasets cannot explain: stigma during access, difficulty understanding pathways, lack of privacy, poor continuity or treatment that feels disconnected from their goals.

This is where outcomes frameworks and indicators need to connect with lived experience rather than becoming reporting exercises.

Monitoring should ultimately answer a practical question: is the policy changing what happens to people before, during and after they need support?

Intersectoral governance is the difficult part of community mental health

Costa Rica's current architecture includes the Ministry of Health's stewardship role, the National Mental Health Council, CCSS healthcare services and a wider set of institutions whose responsibilities affect mental wellbeing. The Ministry reported renewed activity through the Consejo Nacional de Salud Mental in 2026, including strengthened interinstitutional work and continuing follow-up of the national policy.

Such structures matter because many determinants of mental health sit outside healthcare. But intersectoral governance can become symbolic if meetings are not connected to operational decisions.

Effective governance needs to identify which institution owns each action, what evidence demonstrates progress, where barriers require escalation and what happens when agreed actions do not translate into local implementation.

Community participation is equally important. A national system can understand service activity without fully understanding how people experience access. People with lived experience, families, community organizations and civil-society groups can expose gaps between formal pathways and practical reality.

The strongest governance therefore combines national stewardship with local intelligence. Policy creates direction; operational evidence shows whether that direction is reaching communities.

The future model is prevention, integration and recovery rather than institutional substitution

Moving beyond clinical care does not mean moving away from clinical care.

Costa Rica will continue to need specialist psychiatry, psychology, hospital services, medication, emergency responses and other evidence-based clinical interventions. Community mental health is not a cheaper substitute for those capabilities.

The stronger opportunity is to place specialist treatment within a wider continuum.

Primary care can identify and manage appropriate needs earlier. Community and intersectoral action can strengthen protective conditions. Crisis pathways can connect more reliably with follow-up. Recovery can include employment, education and participation. Digital approaches can extend reach where they are appropriately governed. Families can contribute without being expected to substitute indefinitely for formal support.

The National Mental Health Policy 2024–2034 provides a framework for this direction. The National Mental Health Law and its regulation add legal architecture. The remaining challenge is implementation: translating national commitments into workforce capability, territorial access, reliable pathways and measurable improvements in people's lives.

That is inherently a long-term project. Community-based mental health systems develop through repeated improvement of interfaces, not through one structural reform.

What Costa Rica's direction offers internationally

Costa Rica's mental health reforms are shaped by its universal healthcare system, public institutions, social-policy traditions and territorial organization. Other countries cannot assume that the same institutional arrangements would operate identically elsewhere.

The transferable lesson lies in the direction of responsibility.

Mental health cannot be managed effectively only at the point where somebody enters specialist treatment. The pathway begins earlier, within families, primary care, schools, workplaces and communities, and continues after the clinical encounter ends.

A second lesson concerns policy implementation. Legislation and national strategies can establish rights and priorities, but community transformation depends on operational capability: trained staff, accessible entry points, specialist support, functioning referrals, information continuity and governance that can see persistent variation.

Finally, Costa Rica's direction reinforces an important distinction between community location and community inclusion. A service can operate outside a hospital without helping a person regain relationships, work, education or participation. The deeper objective is not simply treatment closer to home. It is support that enables people to remain connected to ordinary life while receiving the care they need.

Conclusion

Costa Rica's current mental health reforms create an opportunity to connect one of the country's strongest institutional assets—its universal healthcare infrastructure—with a broader model of prevention, community support, recovery and social inclusion. The Política Nacional de Salud Mental 2024–2034, its implementation planning and the National Mental Health Law provide a clearer national direction, but their significance will ultimately be determined through everyday pathways rather than policy documents.

The central challenge is continuity. Mental health needs emerge across primary care, families, schools, workplaces and communities; serious illness may require specialist and hospital treatment; recovery continues after the clinical episode. Strong implementation therefore depends on connecting these settings without transferring inappropriate responsibilities between them. Primary care needs specialist backup, community support cannot replace clinical expertise, and families cannot be treated as unlimited care capacity.

For people using services, progress should become visible through earlier access, fewer avoidable gaps, greater involvement in decisions, stronger continuity after crisis and better opportunities to remain connected to ordinary community life. For national governance, recurring problems in referrals, territorial access, workforce or post-crisis follow-up need to become intelligence for improvement rather than isolated cases.

Costa Rica's move beyond clinical care is therefore not a move away from medicine. It is an effort to place good clinical care inside a wider system capable of protecting mental health, responding earlier and supporting recovery where life actually happens.